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Engel shows support for strife-torn Ukraine

By Shant Shahrigian
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Congressman Engel lays a wreath from Yonkers’ Ukrainian community at Maidan Square in Ukraine’s capital of Kiev.
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Rep. Eliot Engel plants a tree at the Armenian Genocide Museum-Institute on the outskirts of Yerevan, Armenia on April 24.
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Last week, Rep. Eliot Engel brought a wreath from the Ukrainian community in Yonkers and laid it in the epicenter of this year’s anti-government protests in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev. 

It was part of a three-country, nine-day tour in which the ranking Democrat on the House of Representatives’ Foreign Affairs Committee, joined for part of the trip by the panel’s Republican chairman, sought to show U.S. support for a range of struggling causes.

“It’s important for the United States to show a presence in this region while the region is undergoing turmoil,” Mr. Engel said in a phone interview after his trip, which included stops in Armenia and Azerbaijan. “It’s important for Russia to see us there. It’s important for the people of Ukraine to see the United States cares about them.”

After laying the wreath amid a scene of burnt tires and damaged buildings still near Kiev’s Maidan Square, where demonstrations led to the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich in February, Mr. Engel went on to meet the country’s acting Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk and other members of the precarious interim government there.

While pro-Russian forces continue to cause unrest in eastern Ukraine — with observers worried that Moscow wants to take over territory beyond Crimea, which Russia annexed in March — Mr. Engel is looking to sanctions and upcoming elections to thwart Russian President Vladimir Putin’s aims.

“These elections are the best way for Ukraine to clearly show what direction the country wants to go,” the congressman said.

He added that he expects Russia will try to undermine voting, scheduled for May 25, in eastern Ukraine, and claim that the elections are invalid. But Mr. Engel said he hopes economic sanctions, which the U.S. expanded on Monday, will help contain Russia.

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bronxrunner

Wow, such lightweight reporting. No mention of

1) The NED and State Dept backed "people power" fake coup that installed a pro-nazi, fascist government.

2) No mention of Engel tacitly supporting those pro-nazis.

3) No mention of the foulmouth Skank Victoria Nuland's taped phone call to Greg Pyatt where they discuss who is going to take over in Ukraine. What a coincidence that their choice "Yats," the IMF agent got picked.

4) No nuanced analyzis of Zbigniew Brzezinsky's "grand chessboard" policy of encircling Russia with NATO being put into action.

5) No mention of how a nominal "Democrat" like Engel, and his mustache, have now turned into rabid warmongers, in direct opposition to the American people who overwhelmingly support non-intervention.

6) No analysis given to how if Russia fomented an anti-American revolution in Mexico, how we would be doing the same thing Russia is doing.

7) No hostorical analysis of Ukraine and it's many hundreds of years association with Russia.

8) No mention of international law, which clearly states that if your neighbor descends into anarchy and chaos, you have the right to intervene.

9) And definitely no analysis of how the US has done for well over 100 years now, the very same thing it is now accusing Russia of doing.

When Obama was elected, I warned people that he would bring about confrontation with Russia. People thought I was nuts, but it was easy to see. His Wall Street puppet masters as well as his sponsor Brzezinsky have been wanting this confrontation for years.

This is not Iraq or Lybia. This is Russia, a major world power, and one that in the real world is probably a lot stronger than us right now, due to the fact that while we were out fighting illegal wars for empire, Russia was making business deals.

I would warn Engel, and his mustache, to not be so flippant about confronting Russia, especially over an issue which was provably fomented by the US state dept and intelligence agencies. People like Engel, Kerry, Rice, Nuland, Powers, Pyatt etc need to be in straight jackets and their only choice should be do they wanna go to bellevue or do they wanna go to creedmore.

Thursday, May 1, 2014 | Report this
ankara

Armenian thesis depends on forgeries, falsified documents and lies. Strikingly these lies were confirmed by the English and American authorities themselves in 1921..

After the Ottoman State was defeated in the 1st World War in 1918, the English and their allies arrested 144 high level Ottoman veteran or civil officials including the ex-prime ministers, ex-deputies, governors and many newspapermen, and banished them to Malta Island, claiming that they were responsibles for the death of Armenians.

However, the English authorities, had to set them all free in 1921, since they could not find any proof to be able to verdict them.

The following documents belong to the English archives:

Last word of Attorney General of Malta Tribunals

The letters written by H.M. Procurator-General’s Department to Mr Lancelot Oliphant (directed by Earl Curzon of Kedleston) dated July 29th, 1921 read:

‘It seems improbable that the charges made against some of the accused will be capable of legal proof in a Court of Law.’

(F.O. 371/6502/E.5845: L.Olipant (F.O.) to Mr Woods (Procurator-General’s Department)

5845/132/44 of May 31st,1921)

‘Until more precise information is available as to the nature of the evidence which will be forthcoming at the trials, the Attorney General does not feel that he is in a position to express any opinion as to the prospect of success in any of the cases sumitted for his consideration’

(F.O. 371/6504/E.8745: Woods (Procurator-General’s Department) to the Under Secretary of Stat efor FO., of July 29th, 1921)

Upon the receipt of Attorney General’s opinion Mr WS Edmonds minuted:

‘From this letter, it appears that the chances of obtaining convictions are almost nil…

‘The American Government, we have ascertained, cannot help with any evidence…

‘In addition to the ABSENCE OF LEGAL EVIDENCE there is the extreme unlikelihood that the French and Italians would agree to participate in constituting the court provided for in art.230 of the Treaty (of Sevres)….

‘ON THE OTHER HAND WE CERTAINLY CAN NOT RELEASE ANY TURKS UNTIL OUR OWN PRISONRES ARE RETURNED…. THE PROPER TIME FOR THE RELEASE OF THE TURKS SEEMS TO BE WHEN IT CAN BE DONE AS PART OF A GENERAL SETTLEMENT WITH TURKEY.’

‘IT IS REGRETTABLE THAT THE TURKS HAVE BEEN CONFINED AS LONG WITHOUT CHARGES BEING FORMULATED AGAINST THEM….’

(PRO-F.O. 371/6504/E.8745: Minutes by Edmonds of August 3rd,1921)

From: Şimşir, Bilal. Malta Sürgünleri. Bilgi Yayınevi, Ankara, 1985.

Please pay attention that the Ottoman government had been taken prisoners by the English and all the Ottoman archieves were under control of the English and their allies, and as the most important point an Armenian official was assigned to the Ottoman Archives. Pay also attention that the famous Blue Book, the telegrams of Aram Andonian and the diary of Ambassador Morgenthau which had already been published at that time were not considered as reliable proofs.

Please also note that during the trial in Berlin of the Armenian assassin Soghomon Tehlirian, who had murdered Talat Pasha in Berlin on March 15th, 1921, none of the Andonian documents were accepted by the court as evidence (Dashnakists’ book Justicier du Genocide, 1981, p.213).

So, those who claim a genocide are in lack of any historical document to prove their thesis. Is it just a coincidence that the Armenians have fiercefully been rejecting to discuss these events in historical joint commissions made up of Turkish and Armenian historians and historian from other countries. Is anybody who claims someone guilty not expected to be eager to prove his thesis and bring his evidences?

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Kirlikovali

Russian expansionism through use of violence and aggression cannot be condoned. Russia did this in Georgia (2008) and Crimea (2014) and now is closing in on Ukraine via its proxies in Eastern Ukraine. While Engel is to be commended for supporting sovereignty and democracy in Ukraine, I cannot do so, because the same Engel supports aggression and ethnic cleansing in Karabagh by approving Armenia's military occupation and ethnic cleansing in Karabagh, sovereign soil of neighboring Azerbaijan as confirmed by international law and many U.N. resolutions condemning Armenia.

Then there is the issue of the alleged Armenian Genocide which Engle promotes to unsuspecting public as the real thing. Genocide is a long-discredited political claim. Most recently, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) refuted it in its Dec 17, 2013 verdict on Perincek vs Switzerland that "[t]he existence of a 'genocide', which was a precisely defined legal concept, was not easy to prove". The ECHR "doubted that there could be a general consensus… given that historical research was, by definition, open to discussion and a matter of debate, without necessarily giving rise to final conclusions or to the assertion of objective and absolute truths". Thus, the ECHR created a legal precedent of inadmissibility of any comparison between the Holocaust and the Armenian claims; the latter lacks what the former clearly has: concrete historical facts, clear legal basis, and existence of the "acts had been found by an international court to be clearly established".

Wartime tragedy and suffering engulfed all the peoples of the area during WWI, not just the Armenians. Besides, Armenians were never totally blameless, innocent bystanders, as they deceptively claim. My father's entire family was killed by the Armenian gangs and I do not find my pain in the deceptive and fallacious Armenian narrative; neither can millions of Turks today. Armenians conveniently ignore the many Armenian rebellions, countless acts of terrorism, treason, greedy territorial demands and the immense Turkish suffering they caused before, during and after WWI.

The verdict of genocide can only be reached by an "competent tribunal" which is the international Court of Justice in Den Haag created for this purpose by the United Nations. There is no genocide verdict passed by any competent tribunal on the Armenian claims. Any statement, therefore, that alleges that the Armenian genocide is an undisputable fact is fallacious and unacceptable. If you doubt these assertions, then please read these lines from someone in the know, George M. Lamsa, a missionary well known for his research on Christianity, in The Secret of the Near East, The Ideal Press, Philadelphia 1923, p 133:

"…In some towns containing ten Armenian houses and thirty Turkish houses, it was reported that 40,000 people were killed, about 10,000 women were taken to the harem, and thousands of children left destitute; and the city university destroyed, and the bishop killed. It is a well- known fact that even in the last war the native Christians, despite the Turkish cautions, armed themselves and fought on the side of the Allies. In these conflicts, they were not idle, but they were well supplied with artillery, machine guns and inflicted heavy losses on their enemies…."

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